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Single Idea 5271

[filed under theme 22. Metaethics / C. The Good / 3. Pleasure / b. Types of pleasure ]

Full Idea

Prejudice apart, the game of push-pin is of equal value with the arts and science of music and poetry.

Gist of Idea

Prejudice apart, push-pin has equal value with music and poetry

Source

Jeremy Bentham (Constitutional Code I [1827], p.139), quoted by J.R. Dinwiddy - Bentham p.114

Book Ref

Dinwiddy,J.R.: 'Bentham' [OUP 1989], p.114


A Reaction

Mill quoted this with implied outrage, but Bentham was attacking public subsidies to the arts when he said it. It is a basic idea in the debate on pleasure - that pleasures are only distinguished by their intensity, not some other value.


The 16 ideas with the same theme [what types of pleasure are there?]:

A small pure pleasure is much finer than a large one contaminated with pain [Plato]
Nice smells are intensive, have no preceding pain, and no bad after-effect [Plato]
There are pleasures of the soul (e.g. civic honour, and learning) and of the body [Aristotle]
God feels one simple pleasure forever [Aristotle]
Intellectual pleasures are superior to sensuous ones [Aristotle]
The end for Epicurus is static pleasure [Epicurus, by Annas]
Pains of the soul are worse than pains of the body, because it feels the past and future [Epicurus, by Diog. Laertius]
Pleasures only differ in their duration and the part of the body affected [Epicurus]
Good and true are the same for everyone, but pleasures differ [Democritus (attr)]
We should only choose pleasures which are concerned with the beautiful [Democritus (attr)]
Cyrenaic pleasure is a motion, but Epicurean pleasure is a condition [Diog. Laertius]
Prejudice apart, push-pin has equal value with music and poetry [Bentham]
Of Bentham's 'dimensions' of pleasure, only intensity and duration matter [Ross on Bentham]
He gives his body up to pleasure, but not his soul [Joubert]
The pleasure of existing is the only genuine pleasure [Hadot]
Greeks and early Christians were much more concerned about food than about sex [Foucault]